Department Of The Partridge Of The Week
It’s that time of the year again. As has become a tradition much maligned anticipated in our neighborhood moiself is hosting a different Partridge, every week, in my front yard. [1]
Can you identify this week’s guest Partridge?
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Department Of I Should Have Known Better
Moiself thought this comic – which I shared on Facebook – was funny. Several of my religious-believer FB friends saw it as a witnessing opportunity, and thus commented on my post.
Interesting in that, whether feeling the need to explaining that “fear of hell” is not what brought them to their religion, or to note that “fortunately god is a forgiving god,” no poster wrote, “Oh there is no threat of hell in our faith,” nor cited their holy books or whatever to show that hell is a manmade concept. [2]
As for believers who hold to the “forgiving” aspect of their deity, my reply/query is, “Well, then, why the theological threat of hell? Why not just forgive?” The fortunately-god-is-forgiving poster went on to admit his uncertainty, noting that (my emphases) he “…doesn’t know if [his god] forgives everyone but I am guessing and believe he forgives those that accept and believe in him.”
Still, again, that conditional forgiveness, and no refutation of the Christian teaching of a bad afterlife for non (Christian) believers.
One poster claimed that the comic’s “premise” was incorrect, because “The one who walks with Jesus has absolutely no fear of what happens after death….”
That was my favorite bit o’ equivocation. Psssst – ma’am, your leash is showing.
Following the logic of that carefully-worded, skirting-of-the-issue claim, the one who *doesn’t* “walk with Jesus,” *does* have something to fear.
So, if instead of walking with Jesus, y’all…
* ambulate with Allah
* bounce with Buddha
* dance with Demetir
* dash with Dionysus
* frolic with Frigg
* gambol with Ganesha
* hop with Hera
* jog with Jehovah [3]
* march with Mercury
* pace with Poseidon
*prance with Pele
* promenade with Persephone
* quiver with Quetzalcoatl
* run with Ra
* stroll with Saturn
* saunter with Shiva
* trot with Thor
* undulate with Urania
*waltz with wiccans
* zoom with Zoroaster
…y’all be on a hike to H-E-double-hockey-sticks.
Many Christians consider their Jesus to be the one who brought a “New Testament” of peace and love, and that the “Old Testament” [4] is the one for the fire and brimstone. Sorry, but y’all need to familiarize yourself with the entirety of your scriptures, and not just the feel-good verses snipped out and read at baptisms and weddings. Your so-called prince of peace [5] is the one who gave his followers hell.
JC gave us concepts like “eternal fire” (Matt. 25:41) and “eternal punishment” (Matt. 25:46). Most contemporary Christian believers like to think of their JC of as kindness personified, instead of as the one who, in their holy book, promotes infinite torment:
“The Son of man [Jesus himself] shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
(Matt 13:41-42)
“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched.” (Mark 9:43)
BTW, the burning of unbelievers during the Inquisition was based on the words of Jesus:
“If a man abides not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered;
and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”
(John 15:6)
If y’all don’t trust a Happy Heathen ® like moiself regarding what Christian scriptures say re JC’s teachings about hell, go to a true believer – Mike Livingston, pastor and missionary, content editor of a bible study course, and graduate of Jerry Fallwell’s clown college Liberty University. [6] Livingston has conveniently gathered JC’s hell teachings for you (warning: I’m not shouting at you, the all-caps are his):
“…much of what we know about hell comes from the mouth of Jesus. In fact, Jesus said more about hell than did any other biblical figure. Our understanding of hell ultimately derives from Him. So what can we know about hell from the teachings of Jesus?
HELL IS A REAL PLACE.
‘Don’t fear those who kill the body,’ Jesus said, ‘rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell’ (Matt 10:28; see also 5:29-30; 23:15,33; Luke 10:15; 16:23). Commenting on Jesus’ teaching about an ‘eternal punishment’ (Matt. 25:46), (Baptist pastor and theologian) John Broadus wrote: ‘It is to the last degree improbable that the Great Teacher would have used an expression so inevitably suggesting a great doctrine he did not mean to teach.’ According to Jesus, hell is real.
HELL IS A PLACE OF JUDGMENT.
In numerous parables, Jesus clearly and emphatically taught of a final judgment and the separation of the righteous from the unrighteous. The unrighteous will be condemned to a place of blazing fire and utter darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (See Matt. 13:24-30,36-43, 47-50; 22:1-14; 25:14-46.) Jesus called this place ‘the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels’ (Matt. 25:41). Hell is not a place where people are tormented by the devil; it is where those who reject God will suffer the same fate as the devil and his demons. It is the place of final judgment.
HELL IS FOREVER.
Jesus spoke of hell as ‘eternal fire’ (Matt. 25:41) and ‘eternal punishment’ (Matt. 25:46). In Matthew 25:46, the same word—eternal—is used to describe eternal life for the righteous and the eternal punishment of hell for the unrighteous. According to Jesus, hell will be eternal.
HELL IS MORE TERRIBLE THAN WE CAN IMAGINE.
The images of fire (Matt. 25:41), darkness (Matt. 8:12; 22:13; 25:30), the weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. 8:12; 13:42,50; 22:13; 24:51; 25:30; Luke 13:28), and being cut into pieces speak of the horror of hell.”
( from explorethebible.com “What did Jesus say about hell?” )
Inquiring minds want to know: what did Godzilla say about hell?
The term Sheol is used briefly in the Hebrew scriptures, in what scholars say is a poetic metaphor for death. But it’s not referencing an afterlife, as “no concept of hell exists in Judaism.”
“…ancient Jews traditionally did not believe the soul could exist at all apart from the body. On the contrary, for them, the soul was more like the ‘breath.’ The first human god created, Adam, began as a lump of clay; then god ‘breathed’ life into him (Genesis 2: 7). Adam remained alive until he stopped breathing. Then it was dust to dust, ashes to ashes.
Ancient Jews thought that was true of us all. When we stop breathing, our breath doesn’t go anywhere. It just stops. So too the ‘soul’ doesn’t continue on outside the body, subject to postmortem pleasure or pain. It doesn’t exist any longer.
The Hebrew Bible itself assumes that the dead are simply dead—that their body lies in the grave, and there is no consciousness, ever again. It is true that some poetic authors, for example in the Psalms, use the mysterious term ‘Sheol’ to describe a person’s new location. But in most instances Sheol is simply a synonym for ‘tomb’ or ‘grave.’ It’s not a place where someone actually goes.”
( excerpt from “What Jesus Really Said About Heaven and Hell” time.com 5-8-20 )
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Department Of Yeah And By The Way….
Although it should be obvious that moiself does not believe in a literal netherworld of torment, I have heard some hellish things about Black Friday shopping.
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Freethinkers’ Thought Of The Week [7]
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May you avoid the one hell for which we have actual proof:
Black Friday shopping;
May you have fun with the comments in your FB posts;
May you stay tuned to see your favorite Partridge in our pear tree;
…and may the hijinks ensue.
Thanks for stopping by. Au Vendredi!
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[1] Specifically, in our pear tree.
[2] Although, as one post commentor noted, most people’s ideas about hell come from Dante’s Inferno, the fourteen century Italian poet Dante Alighieri’s epic,.
[3] The Hebrew god, who, contrary to Christian theology, did not give birth to himself/his son as the messiah.
[4] Which can be considered insulting to Jews, so many modern Christians are encouraged by scholars to refer to the OT books as the “Hebrew Scriptures” or the “first testament.”
[5] Yeah, the one who is quoted in your scriptures as giving a plethora of decidedly unpeaceful advice and predictions, including:
“I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother-in-law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.” (Matt 10:35-36). “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” (Luke 14:26)
[6] “Bill Maher lambasted Liberty University, the Virginia religious university that has become a mandatory stop for Republican presidential candidates…. Maher noted that Liberty teaches ‘creation science,’ and the idea that earth was created 5,000 years ago. ‘This is a school you flunk out of when you get the answers right’…. ‘Liberty’s diploma may look real,’ Maher said, ‘but when you confuse a church with a school it mixes up the things you believe — religion — with the things we know — education. Then you start thinking that creationism is science, and gay aversion is psychology, and praying away hurricanes is meteorology.’ (excerpts from huffpo, “Bill Maher: Liberty university is not a real school“)
[7] “free-think-er n. A person who forms opinions about religion on the basis of reason, independently of tradition, authority, or established belief. Freethinkers include atheists, agnostics and rationalists. No one can be a freethinker who demands conformity to a bible, creed, or messiah. To the freethinker, revelation and faith are invalid, and orthodoxy is no guarantee of truth.” Definition courtesy of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, ffrf.org