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Department Of Referencing Moiself
The post is a part two, meant to be read as companion piece to part one, my post of 4-7-23 ( The Upbringing I’m Not Regretting ). Cliff notes preview: the subject for part two is my leaving “the church” – specifically, how I told my pastor (but first told moiself ) that I was doing so, via a dream that I’d had.
My dreams range from pastiches of images/seemingly random blurbs from the previous day’s events, to straightforward narratives of events or scenarios realized, to Cecil B. DeMille [1] style, cast-of-thousands epics, with the occasional/random celebrity cameo. I think that the scenarios and images contained in my dreams can be
* both profound and significant, with my unconscious mind using my dreams to work on puzzles, or try to message my conscious mind;
* due to the random firing of neurons stimulating the brain’s centers of memory and creativity;
* everything above and beyond and in between.
I had a class in college wherein dream interpretation was mentioned and briefly discussed, [2] and for a couple of months after that, I kept a dream journal. Upon waking in the morning – or sometimes in the middle of the night, when one of my dreams was either so intense or ludicrous that my brain decided to rouse me from sleep with a what the hell was that? – I wrote down whatever dreams I could remember. I wrote what I wrote and put that journal away until the next dream; I purposefully did not read the journal entries until several months had passed. My idea was to try to view what I’d dreamed with new (or newer) eyes and perspective.
When I did go back and read them, I was astonished. Employing images and scenarios that were in turns realistic, fanciful, or outrageous, my brain apparently was using my dreams to work out/try to identify ongoing dilemmas relating to my school studies, my job, my boyfriend(s), my relationships with my apartment mates, my past, present, and future… Yeah, like, that would be, My Life ® .
My subconscious mind – likely the hippocampus, an area in the temporal lobe which is believed to be key in dreaming and imagination, and not to be confused with the part of a college where large semiaquatic mammals native to sub-Saharan Africa hang out….
“Are you sure this is the way to the dining commons?”
I’ll try that again.
My subconscious mind – likely the hippocampus, an area in the temporal lobe which is believed to be key in dreaming and imagination – knew things that my conscious mind was apparently unable or unwilling to deal with. And in that sense, my dreams were my attempt to send a message to moiself.
Although I was fascinated (and at times embarrassed) to read my dreams, I was busy with work and classes, and fell out of the habit of writing them down. Then,
As in, Hillsboro, OR, one winter weekend morning almost twenty years ago.
Moiself awoke in a state of some agitation. As MH and I packed up the car and kids for our day trip to Mt. Hood, I asked if he would mind driving as I needed to “…write something down.” Once we were on the road I opened the blank spiral notebook I’d grabbed at the last minute and wrote down the source of my agitation: the early morning dream I’d had.
I hadn’t consistently written down my dreams since college. This time after writing down my dream I did not set the notebook aside, but read through it again…and again…and again. Later that day, after we’d returned to Hillsboro, I told MH about my dream. I told MH that my brain was sending me a gigantamous, face-palm of a message:
You. Have. To. Leave.
You have to leave “the church;” as in, religious attendance and affiliation.
Your involvement has served its purposes (see 4-7-23 post for what that was).
Continued involvement, even in the liberal/progressive UCC, will not only give you
an increasingly severe case of cognitive and ethical dissonance but will
actually be harmful to the children you are trying to educate and raise with integrity.
I stopped going to church.
The pastor of the church (“Pastor D____”) our family attended was a person I liked and admired, as well as being one of the most well-read people I have ever met. A month or so after I’d had the dream she called to ask me if she could take me to lunch to discuss why I had left the church. Sure, I said, then asked if I could email her the narrative of my dream, so that she could read it before we met up. [3] Pastor D____ agreed, which probably accounted for the pleasant lunch that we had.
D____ in no way tried to refute or chastise me, or convince me that my decision was wrong. In fact, she told me that after reading my account of my dream she’d realized that, “Yes, it’s true, you don’t belong in the church.”
Yup; really.
And we enjoyed our chai teas and the Indian restaurant’s ample lunch buffet, and talked about…other stuff.
Over the years I’d shared my perspectives on Christian theology with D____, and through my participation in the weekly nonfiction book [4] group that she led, she was aware that I was not a “true believer,” even when it came into the UCC’s liberal theological/social gospel interpretations. What she was not aware of was that when it became my turn to serve as a deacon [5] and I was setting up for a church service, I would perform my own little acts of dissension, such as (but not limited to) the following.
In our church there was an enormous King James Bible kept on a platform behind the altar (the hefty tome had been donated by two church member in honor of their late son; the UCC is not a King James-ish denomination when it comes to bible translations ). It was customary to have that bible open to the pages of whatever Old Testament reading had been chosen for that particular Sunday’s service (even though, with extremely rare exceptions, the laypersons doing the scripture readings did not read from that KJ bible). When doing my Deacon set-up tasks, instead of opening that bible to the page(s) featuring the morning reading I would find a nearby page which contained a particularly odious passage, such as the Psalm which lauds dashing the infants of one’s enemies upon rocks ( Psalm 137) , or the Hebrew god’s directions of how and when to kidnap and rape women (Judges 21:10-24; Numbers 31:7-18, ad nauseum….) or the story of Yaweh sending bears to maul boys who had teased a prophet about his baldness (2 Kings 2:23)….
I hadn’t told Pastor D____ about that little petty prank of mine. I had told her other things, and she’s always assured me that those beliefs/disbeliefs of mine, those “arguments” I had with the tents of religion, were exactly why my presence and perspective was needed in church. Thus, during our lunch, after having read my dream, D____ apparently felt no need to discuss my reasons with me. She did say at one point that while it came as a disappointment to her that I was leaving (the church), it did *not* come as a surprise, considering how I’d “…made many close friendships with __________” (she named several people who had attended the church at one point, and then left).
Much like writing down a dream, setting it aside and thinking about it later, that remark of Pastor D___’s came back to me. When I shared it with MH, he reached the same conclusion about/interpretation of it, as moiself:
“In a way it’s like she *wants* you to go,
before you stay longer and influence others to leave as well.”
And now, the dream (followed by my thoughts about it, written later that same day, after I’d reread what I’d written):
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The Dream ® : early Wednesday morning, April 20, 2005
I am looking at an old house that is for sale. Design or style-wise, it is a combination Victorian and what I call “Grandma house,” with many classic features, from the glass & brass doorknobs to hardwood floors, moldings, built-ins, and exceptional woodwork.
Pastor D___ is showing me the house. I’m unclear as to whether she is selling it; i.e., whether it is her house that is for sale, or whether she is acting as an agent for another party. The house has been newly remodeled and upgraded; I glance out a window and see workmen, their trucks parked in front of the house, packing up ladders and painting supplies. D___ tells me about the new plumbing and points out the fresh paint in many of the rooms and talks about the upgrades, which are very eye-catching.
Then I see the basement/first floor (I’m not sure which it was; we seemed to start touring the house in the middle floor, and the house had at least three floors), and I am astonished. The basement/ground floor is an absolute disaster. Its wooden flooring is old and rotting; paint has been randomly flung on the walls; floorboards and moldings are missing or pulled out and splintered, light fixtures are missing or damaged, woodchips and sawdust litter the floors…. I ask D____ if the remodeling will be finished soon, possibly by the workmen I’d seen outside? No, she tells me, they are packing up and not returning – they’re finished with this particular house.
D____ senses my disappointment, and points out that I can finish the job myself or hire another remodeling crew…and then she offers to lower the price to $305,000. (I can’t remember the asking price, but it was a good deal higher). I know that 305k would be a good price – a great deal, really – for that kind of house, if the house was in top condition, but its ground floor needs BIU extensive work, and I have neither the time, the skills, nor the desire to do it myself. I add up the time, materials and labor costs, estimating what it would take to get the floor in shape (I’ve been looking at similar style houses for some time and have comparison prices in my head) and am quite discouraged, as it would be less costly to just tear the place down and start over.
I tell D____ that I appreciate her showing me the house, and while it may be a good price for what it is, I just can’t buy it.
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I just can’t buy it.
How obvious can my subconscious get?!?! The last line of my dream, not-so-subtly screaming out what’s been eating at me.
(And it is about what’s eating me. Despite K’s and Belle’s discussing their objections to bible-religion/”church stuff” with me over the years, they were not in the dream, nor was MH.)
I like many things about the UCC Hillsboro congregation in particular and the UCC denomination in general. But, for all our/their remodeling, they are still a Christian church in a Christian denomination, and the ground floor — Christian theology in particular, religion in general — is, to me, a mess: archaic, in shambles, needing to be replaced or simply razed. I also love, respect and admire Pastor D____ for what she is, and for what she does and tries to do. I appreciate the “deal” she has made for (people like) me, but I can’t buy it. I can’t buy Christianity – even the laissez-faire, UCC brand – for what it is.
I’m certain that there have been several recent triggers for this dream, including the Sunday when a family from our kids’ school attended our church. There was a baptism, and I remembered experiencing discomfort and even embarrassment on their behalf (or mine?) when I listened to – actually paid attention to – the baptism liturgy and thought, yet again, I don’t believe this stuff. That the “waters of baptism” confer any special blessing or standing – that’s voodoo/chicken bones talk. Much if not all of it is symbolic and/or metaphorical, I realize, but that’s not what was said (and then, what’s the point for using the symbols and metaphors?). The new member class I attended (as a longtime member who was there to meet potential new members) also brought uncomfortable issues to mind, as does almost any meeting where church policy related to theology is discussed. The new member attendees were all pleasant people, but listening to their experiences and ideas of what a church is or should be was awkward for me. When ZM mentioned how she was unfamiliar with the Bible, having grown up in a Hindu household, and was learning about it through the children’s sermon and her daughter’s children’s Bible, I found myself wanting to blurt out, RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!, or at least, “Don’t go any further than the kiddie version, or you might not like what you find.”
These feelings are nothing new to me. Participating in a “worship” service of any kind has always been a matter of toleration, as I find the whole concept itself to be silly at best. I don’t know what this means in terms of practical application; it’s not like I feel I must Leave The Church ® this very moment.*** I think they/we are mostly trying to do good in the world, and I enjoy the community. But the intensity of my concerns has increased…and it’s not just a social club, it’s a church. The community, as nice as I may find the members, is based on and organized around the false premises of religion, and I’m not good at pretending to not know what I know.
The intellectual dishonesty of the rationale for continuing to participate in church stuff – to support a more liberal group to help counter the Right/conservative religious voice (aka the “voting for moderates” justification, as per MH’s reason for why he remains registered as a Republican) – is no longer enough, for me. By being part of a religion, even a relatively progressive one, I lend credence to ideas that, in their application, are dangerous and just plain wrong, including
(1) the standards of reason, judgment and evidence I apply to every other facet of life may be set aside for matters of “faith;”
(2) extraordinary propositions can be believed without evidence;
(3) that, by applying interpretation and razor’s edge scholarship (read: by rationalizing myth, fallacy, ignorance and atrocity) the Christian bible – or anyone’s bible – is an appropriate and even a good lens through which humanity may view present day circumstances.
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Freethinkers’ Thought Of The Week [6]
When I became convinced that the Universe is natural – that all the ghosts and gods are myths, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood, the sense, the feeling, the joy of freedom. The walls of my prison crumbled and fell, the dungeon was flooded with light and all the bolts, and bars, and manacles became dust. I was no longer a servant, a serf or a slave. There was for me no master in all the wide world – not even in infinite space.
I was free – free to think, to express my thoughts – free to live to my own ideal – free to live for myself and those I loved — free to use all my faculties, all my senses – free to spread imagination’s wings – free to investigate, to guess and dream and hope – free to judge and determine for myself – free to reject all ignorant and cruel creeds, all the “inspired” books that savages have produced, and all the barbarous legends of the past – free from popes and priests – free from all the “called” and “set apart” – free from sanctified mistakes and holy lies – free from the fear of eternal pain – free from the winged monsters of the night – free from devils, ghosts and gods. For the first time I was free.
(as quoted, in Leaving Christianity, from Why I Am Agnostic, by Robert Green Ingersoll. Ingersoll [1833-1899], nicknamed “the great agnostic,” was American politician and orator, humanistic and scientific rationalism philosopher during the Golden Age of Freethought [7] )
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Parting Shot: I love it when/I hate it when…
I love it when my dreams are stylishly consistent.
Example: Godzilla once had a cameo in a dream of mine. The dream had started in color, switched to black and white during Godzilla’s scene, then went back to color when Godzilla left. Up until then, the only Godzilla movies I’d seen were filmed in B & W.
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May you remember the dreams that are worth remembering;
May you remember that any dream you remember is worth remembering;
May you pay attention to what your subconscious is telling you;
…and may the hijinks ensue.
Thanks for stopping by. Au Vendredi!
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*** Even though I did.
[1] Am I dating moiself with that reference? Should I use Spielberg, or Nolan, or Cameron, or the casts-of-thousands directors of today? But then, today’s cast of thousands are maybe a cast of 6 actual actors with 1,974 CGIs….
[2] The jist of the discussion being that no dream can “mean” anything out of context for the one doing the dreaming – no object in th dream “represents” any thing or idea for all people. Or as that influential but misogynistic man of his times/founder of psychoanalysis, Sigmund Freud once admitted, Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
[3] I made no formal proclamation of dissociation or anything like that; I didn’t even really tell anyone. I just stopped going. MH was not ready to do the same, so he continued for a few weeks, taking the kids at first. When our offspring realized they had a choice, they elected to stay home with me. We were all still in the habit of having a certain amount of hours set aside on Sunday, and used that time to go to nearby city park, taking our trigger-handled trash grabbers and large trash bags. We’d roam the grounds of the park, picking up the plethora of garbage (fast food wrappers, beer bottle caps, etc.) which the park users somehow neglected to escort to the park’s many and ample trash bins.
[4] Subjects ranging from science and theology, comparative religion, religious history, critiques of religion….
[5] Duties vary widely between denominations and congregations, but generally a deacon is a church member who helps out the pastor and/or church members with, for example, setting up the sanctuary for the church service and then cleaning up afterward.
[6] “free-think-er n. A person who forms opinions about religion on the basis of reason, independently of tradition, authority, or established belief. Freethinkers include atheists, agnostics and rationalists. No one can be a freethinker who demands conformity to a bible, creed, or messiah. To the freethinker, revelation and faith are invalid, and orthodoxy is no guarantee of truth.” Definition courtesy of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, ffrf.org
[7] “The Golden Age of Freethought is the mid-19th-century period in United States history which saw the development of the socio-political movement promoting freethought. Anti-authoritarian and intellectually liberating historical eras had existed many times in history, notably in eighteenth century France. But the period roughly from 1875 to 1914 is referred to by at least one contemporary writer as “the high-water mark of freethought as an influential movement in American society”…. Freethought is a philosophical position that holds that ideas and opinions should be based on science and reason, and not restricted by authority, tradition, or religion. It is characteristic of the 18th century Enlightenment but hardly confined to any one epoch or place. The late nineteenth century American Golden Age was encouraged by the lectures of the extremely popular agnostic orator Robert Green Ingersoll, the popularization of Charles Darwin’s On the Origin of Species, the push for women’s suffrage, and other political, scientific, and social trends that clashed with religious orthodoxy and caused people to question the traditional ideas about the world that they encountered in received opinion.” (excerpts, Wikipedia, The Golden Age of Freethought )